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I just had someone complain about the woman who sued McDonald's for hot coffee

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OctilIery 2 days ago#1
How do people still not know that was a legitimate lawsuit with McDonald's running a smear campaign to save public image?
gafemaqs 2 days ago#2
Oh yeah. It was like third degree burns wasn't it?
OctilIery 2 days ago#3
gafemaqs posted...
Oh yeah. It was like third degree burns wasn't it?

Yup. The coffee was extremely overheated, and the woman was only looking for them to cover her medical costs, not to make money.
dolomedes 2 days ago#4
OctilIery posted...
How do people still not know that was a legitimate lawsuit with McDonald's running a smear campaign to save public image?

americans deny evolution and support trump how is this surprising?
SageHarpuia 2 days ago#5
It's coffee. Coffee is hot.

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SageHarpuia posted...
It's coffee. Coffee is hot.

She had third degree burns.

Coffee shouldn't be that hot.
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Jiek_Fafn 2 days ago#7
McDonald's has one of the best marketing departments in the world. The things they've done are amazing.
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Duwstai 2 days ago#9
People still throw this out there all the time as THE example of a frivolous lawsuit

Shows how easy it is to spread misinformation
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I think the difference is between instant coffee drinkers and coffee maker drinkers. Cause the former is use to coffee always being hot as fuck at first.
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Antifar 2 days ago#11
gafemaqs posted...
Oh yeah. It was like third degree burns wasn't it?

The shit fused her thighs together.
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IIRC, the temperature of the coffee was around 190 degrees (Fahrenheit) So around 88 Celsius

Water boils at 212 F

Mcdonalds had been selling coffee that was close to boiling.
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SageHarpuia posted...
It's coffee. Coffee is hot.
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eggcorn 2 days ago#14
dolomedes posted...
OctilIery posted...
How do people still not know that was a legitimate lawsuit with McDonald's running a smear campaign to save public image?

americans deny evolution and support trump how is this surprising?

there's always that guy that uses even the most innocuous topic to whinge about trump.
Patchwork 2 days ago#15
Their coffee is always still hot af. If you don't throw a few ice cubes in, you'll be drinking it about an hour after you buy it.
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Dash_Harber 2 days ago#16
Adam Ruins Everything did a good summary;

Wasssup Now 2 days ago#17
It should be flat out illegal to sell coffee at a drive up window.
dolomedes 2 days ago#18
eggcorn posted...
there's always that guy that uses even the most innocuous topic to whinge about trump.

who's whining?
Dash_Harber 2 days ago#19
dolomedes posted...
eggcorn posted...
there's always that guy that uses even the most innocuous topic to whinge about trump.

who's whining?

I believe he said 'whinging'.
I took an intro to criminal justice class for an elective recently, and someone brought up the case as an example of stupid lawsuits, and I was waiting for the teacher to correct them, and she didn't, she agreed with them. Somehow she didn't know either.

I never willingly participate in classes, but that's one of the handful of times where I spoke up to correct them.
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Dash_Harber posted...
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who's whining?

I believe he said 'whinging'.

I hate it when LIBERALS just whinge about Trump 24/7. Sad!
JustMonika 2 days ago#22
OctilIery posted...
McDonald's running a smear campaign

McDonald's didn't run shit. Where'd you pull that from?
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Delirious_Beard  attack on sight2 days ago#23
JustMonika posted...
OctilIery posted...
McDonald's running a smear campaign

McDonald's didn't run shit. Where'd you pull that from?


lol you must not be familiar with corporate lawyers
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TheGrindery 2 days ago#24
CaptainCrunch posted...
IIRC, the temperature of the coffee was around 190 degrees (Fahrenheit) So around 88 Celsius

Water boils at 212 F

Mcdonalds had been selling coffee that was close to boiling.

Save the facts. People tend to believe what they want to.
HiddenRoar 2 days ago#25
Derp, no one has ever touched a Intro to Culinary book, otherwise you'd realize that 180-195 is the perfect water temp to brew coffee.
HiddenRoar posted...
Derp, no one has ever touched a Intro to Culinary book, otherwise you'd realize that 180-195 is the perfect water temp to brew coffee.

Brew, not serve. Fucking genius.
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Wasssup Now 2 days ago#27
dave_is_slick posted...
HiddenRoar posted...
Derp, no one has ever touched a Intro to Culinary book, otherwise you'd realize that 180-195 is the perfect water temp to brew coffee.

Brew, not serve. Fucking genius.


What is the temperature of fresh brewed coffee?
Wasssup Now posted...
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Brew, not serve. Fucking genius.


What is the temperature of fresh brewed coffee?

Not "third-degree burns" hot.
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OctilIery 2 days ago#29
JustMonika posted...
OctilIery posted...
McDonald's running a smear campaign

McDonald's didn't run shit. Where'd you pull that from?

It isn't just McDonald's, bit many corporations who push the idea that frivolous lawsuits are rampant. McDonald's pushed the story that she was just a stupid woman who burned herself, to distract from the fact that they were at fault.
Prestoff 2 days ago#30
Wasssup Now posted...
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Brew, not serve. Fucking genius.


What is the temperature of fresh brewed coffee?


http://injury.findlaw.com/product-liability/the-mcdonald-s-coffee-cup-case-separating-mcfacts-from-mcfiction.html

McFact #1: McDonald's coffee was served at a temperature between 180 and 190 degrees Fahrenheit. McDonald's had long known that this was twenty to thirty degrees hotter than the coffee served at most other restaurants. In the ten years before the case, more than 700 people who were scalded by coffee burns made claims against the company. But McDonald's never lowered the temperature of its coffee.
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HiddenRoar 1 day ago#31
dave_is_slick posted...
HiddenRoar posted...
Derp, no one has ever touched a Intro to Culinary book, otherwise you'd realize that 180-195 is the perfect water temp to brew coffee.

Brew, not serve. Fucking genius.


If coffee is brewed at 180-195, and you're served one that's 160, that means it was sitting in the pot for X minutes to cool 20~ degrees.

Not exactly freshly brewed.
GATTJT 1 day ago#32
HiddenRoar posted...
If coffee is brewed at 180-195, and you're served one that's 160, that means it was sitting in the pot for X minutes to cool 20~ degrees.

Not exactly freshly brewed.

If the coffee is so hot that you can't even drink it until it cools down, why does it matter if you receive it immediately after it's brewed vs. 15 minutes later when it's at a more manageable temperature?
HiddenRoar posted...
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Brew, not serve. Fucking genius.


If coffee is brewed at 180-195, and you're served one that's 160, that means it was sitting in the pot for X minutes to cool 20~ degrees.

Not exactly freshly brewed.

Brew at that temperature, absolutely. Serve, absolutely not.
Hmm...
mew4ever 1 day ago#34
with how lawsuit happy this country is, I'm shocked that this is everyone's go to example when complaining about how often people sue. The coffee case was perfectly legitimate.
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Heineken14 1 day ago#35
Yeah, looking into the case more and seeing some of the pictures of her burns SHOULD make any normal person immediately change their mind.

But, like someone else said...

dolomedes posted...

americans deny evolution and support trump how is this surprising?
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OctilIery 15 hours ago#37
mew4ever posted...
with how lawsuit happy this country is, I'm shocked that this is everyone's go to example when complaining about how often people sue. The coffee case was perfectly legitimate.

Actually frivolous lawsuits are heavily on the decline, and have been for awhile.
Master X 14 hours ago#38
markconigliaro posted...
I took an intro to criminal justice class for an elective recently, and someone brought up the case as an example of stupid lawsuits, and I was waiting for the teacher to correct them, and she didn't, she agreed with them. Somehow she didn't know either.

I never willingly participate in classes, but that's one of the handful of times where I spoke up to correct them.


No doubt they mocked her and her lawsuit. I'm interested in what their response once after they showed themselves up...?
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Akagami_Shanks 14 hours ago#39
it did start from a dumb premise. Spill your food on yourself and sue the restaurant is almost exactly a metaphor for how lawsuit happy America is
Zikten 14 hours ago#40
Never seen the pics but from I heard her genitals were melted.
Life Sympathy 14 hours ago#41
3rd degree burns on the thighs and genitals that nearly resulted in death. Horrible fate to have in life.
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Heineken14 4 hours ago#42
Zikten posted...
Never seen the pics but from I heard her genitals were melted.


If I remember right, you could see bone.
Rage is a hell of an anesthetic.
From what I remember the lid wasn't properly fastened and the coffee was boiling hot.
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Solid Snake07 4 hours ago#44
SageHarpuia posted...
It's coffee. Coffee is hot.

americans deny evolution


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It was too hot, and McDonald's should have just covered that poor woman's medical expenses and put it to bed
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Smashingpmkns 4 hours ago#45
Zikten posted...
Never seen the pics but from I heard her genitals were melted.


Holy shit. That's some hot coffee
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Heineken14 2 hours ago#46
SusanGreenEyes posted...
From what I remember the lid wasn't properly fastened and the coffee was boiling hot.


Yeah. They had pulled over into a parking spot and the lady, in the passenger seat, was going to take the top off and put sugar or whatever in it. Lid wasn't on secure enough, spilled into her lap, and like others said, melted her shit. McDonalds had a history of complaints and lawsuits about how hot the coffee was, so they knew... they just continued doing it. She also didn't sue for that much, she just wanted medical expenses paid, a jury is the one who awarded her the millions. So the notion that someone can "just spill coffee in their lap while driving and get millions!" is completely wrong.
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Wasssup Now 2 hours ago#47
Paragon21XX posted...
HiddenRoar posted...
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If coffee is brewed at 180-195, and you're served one that's 160, that means it was sitting in the pot for X minutes to cool 20~ degrees.

Not exactly freshly brewed.

Brew at that temperature, absolutely. Serve, absolutely not.


There are still alot of places that advertise "fresh brewed coffee". Should kind of be illegal with what I'm seeing here.
pegusus123456 2 hours ago#48
Wasssup Now posted...

There are still alot of places that advertise "fresh brewed coffee". Should kind of be illegal with what I'm seeing here.

Yes, those sick bastards not serving coffee that could mutilate you if you spill it.
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Coffeebeanz 2 hours ago#49
pegusus123456 posted...
SageHarpuia posted...
It's coffee. Coffee is hot.

She had third degree burns.

Coffee shouldn't be that hot.


And yet there are still no laws requiring coffee to be under a certain temperature. Sounds like the lawsuit didn't really target food safety reform
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darkjedilink 2 hours ago#50
OctilIery posted...
gafemaqs posted...
Oh yeah. It was like third degree burns wasn't it?

Yup. The coffee was extremely overheated, and the woman was only looking for them to cover her medical costs, not to make money.

You know that the coffee they make TODAY is still that hot, right?

She spilled it while trying to pour it into her own cup, while driving. She deserved to be burned for being such a stupid human being.
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thronedfire2 2 hours ago#51
Coffeebeanz posted...
pegusus123456 posted...
SageHarpuia posted...
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She had third degree burns.

Coffee shouldn't be that hot.


And yet there are still no laws requiring coffee to be under a certain temperature. Sounds like the lawsuit didn't really target food safety reform


I work in a nursing home kitchen and if our coffee is above a certain temperature we can get cited for it
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Darmik 2 hours ago#52
Didn't her jeans melt into her skin? Like god damn.
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Coffeebeanz 2 hours ago#53
pegusus123456 posted...
Wasssup Now posted...

There are still alot of places that advertise "fresh brewed coffee". Should kind of be illegal with what I'm seeing here.

Yes, those sick bastards not serving coffee that could mutilate you if you spill it.


https://www.nutritioncaresystems.com/resources/faq/

There is no regulation stipulating an upper level for hot foods or beverages. Coupled with the requirement to keep hot foods and beverages at both safe and palatable levels of 135° or greater, there can be a concern of how hot is “too hot.” While many people like their coffee or other hot beverage in the 170° to 200° range, this can present a risk to residents who are cognitively impaired, have weakness or are fatigued, have difficulty with motor skills or simply require assistance to eat and drink.
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ThePieReborn 2 hours ago#54
Heineken14 posted...
SusanGreenEyes posted...
From what I remember the lid wasn't properly fastened and the coffee was boiling hot.


Yeah. They had pulled over into a parking spot and the lady, in the passenger seat, was going to take the top off and put sugar or whatever in it. Lid wasn't on secure enough, spilled into her lap, and like others said, melted her shit. McDonalds had a history of complaints and lawsuits about how hot the coffee was, so they knew... they just continued doing it. She also didn't sue for that much, she just wanted medical expenses paid, a jury is the one who awarded her the millions. So the notion that someone can "just spill coffee in their lap while driving and get millions!" is completely wrong.

My torts professor absolutely ripped on a classmate when we got on the subject of frivolous lawsuits and this was brought up.
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Coffeebeanz 2 hours ago#55
The issue wasn't the heat of the coffee. If it was, it would've resulted in federal regulations.

A history of lawsuits doesn't suddenly make it illegal. There were, and still are, many coffee shops that serve at temperatures higher than McD's.
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darkjedilink 2 hours ago#56
Coffeebeanz posted...
pegusus123456 posted...
Wasssup Now posted...
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Yes, those sick bastards not serving coffee that could mutilate you if you spill it.

https://www.nutritioncaresystems.com/resources/faq/

There is no regulation stipulating an upper level for hot foods or beverages. Coupled with the requirement to keep hot foods and beverages at both safe and palatable levels of 135° or greater, there can be a concern of how hot is “too hot.” While many people like their coffee or other hot beverage in the 170° to 200° range, this can present a risk to residents who are cognitively impaired, have weakness or are fatigued, have difficulty with motor skills or simply require assistance to eat and drink.

"While many people like their coffee... in the 170-200 degree range...."

My point the whole time, and it's proof that most of the people complaining about McDonald's in this case don't have a clue what they're talking about. The coffee was served only ten degrees hotter than when they'd complain it was cold.
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darkjedilink 2 hours ago#57
Coffeebeanz posted...
The issue wasn't the heat of the coffee. If it was, it would've resulted in federal regulations.

A history of lawsuits doesn't suddenly make it illegal.

It most certainly was the heat of the coffee. That's literally the only way to claim McDonald's is responsible for her injury, since it was entirely self-induced.
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lww99 2 hours ago#58
Darmik posted...
Didn't her jeans melt into her skin? Like god damn.


shoulda been wearing $200 jeans tbh
Coffeebeanz 2 hours ago#59
If a history of consumer complaints made something illegal, EA would've been out of business ages ago.
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Coffeebeanz 2 hours ago#60
darkjedilink posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
The issue wasn't the heat of the coffee. If it was, it would've resulted in federal regulations.

A history of lawsuits doesn't suddenly make it illegal.

It most certainly was the heat of the coffee. That's literally the only way to claim McDonald's is responsible for her injury, since it was entirely self-induced.


It was not illegal, nor even out of the ordinary, to serve coffee at that temperature. In fact, it still isn't.

McD's defense was that it was acting within accepted industry standards. That was and still is objectively true.
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ThePieReborn 2 hours ago#61
Coffeebeanz posted...
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It most certainly was the heat of the coffee. That's literally the only way to claim McDonald's is responsible for her injury, since it was entirely self-induced.


It was not illegal, nor even out of the ordinary, to serve coffee at that temperature. In fact, it still isn't.

McD's defense was that it was acting within accepted industry standards. That was and still is objectively true.

A practice being industry standard does not provide an absolute defense against a negligence claim.
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Eve-L 2 hours ago#62
darkjedilink posted...
OctilIery posted...
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Yup. The coffee was extremely overheated, and the woman was only looking for them to cover her medical costs, not to make money.

You know that the coffee they make TODAY is still that hot, right?

She spilled it while trying to pour it into her own cup, while driving. She deserved to be burned for being such a stupid human being.

Actually no. She spilled it when she placed the coffee cup between her knees and when she tried to take the lid off it spilled in her lap. Also, the car was parked when it happened and she wasn't even the driver anyway. She was sitting in the passenger seat.
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